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National Issues Forums > Forums > Illegal Aliens: The Story about the Mexicans, Jamaicans, and the "others"
 
 


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Mr. Johnson
    03/09/07 at 10:57 AMReply with quote#1

Immigration is currently regulated. However, the regulations need to be reformed. Too many Mexicans are illegal residents in this country. The effects of illegal residents are detrimental to the economic, social, and political stability of the nation. It breathes intolerance and prejudice. What about all the Jamaicans? They find numerous ways to enter this country illegally and foster a subculture that is contrary to American ideology. How can we as a nation address the current wave of illegal residents???

angela
    03/29/07 at 08:39 PMReply with quote#2

i don't believe too many mexicans in this country are illegal aliens and that we need to find ways to make them citizens. there are a vast number of american citizens who already are legal citizens. there is no benefit in making those who are illegal aliens into american citizens. that would be unjust to so many. it is disrespectful and a slap in the face to all those who obey our immigaration laws and wait, in their own country for the legal channels to become american citizens by respecting our laws. some never get the chance to become legal citizens. there are already many so called american citizens who are mexicans who should not be considered as citizens because their parents broke into this country illegal to give birth in america. that is already amnesty enough. it woul be wrong for us to give amnesty to the illegal aliens who already here. it teaches them they can break our laws, bypass our security, do whatever they want to do and we will welcome that. that teaches no one to respect us. as far as comparing jamaicans and other illegals to mexican illegals or those who come from south of our border, the two cannot even be compared. yes we should enforce our laws concerning all illegals no matter from where they come, jamaica included. however jamaicans has not changed the face and culture of america the way mexican/hispanic illegals have. they are not over here in the sheer numbers that mexican illegal aliens are. you don't have to speak a different language in order to communicate with jamaicans. half the radio stations in my city are in spanish, a language i can't even understand, because i was born and raised in america and speak english. they are not jamaican radio stations. they are spanish speaking. one fourth of the t.v programming in is spanish. this is not the american culture this is the mexican/spanish speaking culture and 10 yrs ago it was not this way. we do not need to turn american into mexico. that is what is slowly happening if we don't stop it. there is already a country called mexico. we don't need to become them. i haven't seen jamaican tv programming here, i don't hear press 1 for english, 2 for jamaican. it is not an epidemic with jamaicans the way it is with mexican illegals. everyone knows that. mexican illegals are being mistreated and used and abused in american, taken advantage of, etc. that is why they should go home. making them legal citizens, after everything else they've already been able to steal, welfare, social security, medical benefits, overcrowding our highways, schools, grocery stores, etc, will only infuriate american citizens. the majority of amrican citizens don't want this. i do feel compassion for illegals because they were fleeing poverty to try and make it here. i understand that. there is nothing to be gained from running away from hardships and not facing it. that is why they have a problem. they should have all united and marched and banned together the way they are doing here, they should have done it in mexico, to make changes to their own government. the mexican government should treat their poor citizens better. mexico is a rich country, not a poor one. they have the mexican rivera, acupluco, cancun! they just don't distribute the wealth and that needs to change! but just welcoming all over here, whosoever wants to come is a foolish and ignorant move on our parts. as far as our immmigration laws are concerned the only people who can judge and say whether they are unfair or not is the majority of the amrican people. that is not for outsiders or illegals to judge. how do you break into a country illegally and then complain about its's laws? that's like breaking into a convenience store and getting mad because you favorite products are not available. we already have hbo latino, dish latino, press 2 for spanish. that is stupid. no other culture, not germans, italians, africans, swedes, chinese, etc are given such privledges. this is why it casuses resentment. it is unnessary, foolish and dangerous. how do we say our schools are overcrowded, not enough teachers to students, and we allow illegal aliens here? we need to make america all english speaking, cut out the foolishness, bar illegals from exploiting and using our system and getting benefits, teach people to respect our laws, and hold the mexican government accountable for their treatment of their own citizens.
jonny blaze
    03/30/07 at 11:00 AMReply with quote#3

i agree whole heartedley with angela, you have made some very good points.

Tory Rodriguez
    04/24/08 at 06:35 PMReply with quote#4

Why is it such a big deal about Illegal aliens comming here??? Also if americans wanted all these so called jobs that these illegal aliens are suppossibley taking than there would'nt be any jobs for them to take in the first place. I remember when the Bosnians first started comming here it was'nt  a big immigration debate but now when the hispanics come over here illegally it is such a big deal!!!! I understand that the bosnians were escaping war. But the hispanics are escaping poverty... I want the United States to go a week with out a hispanic person and see how it affects everything.....

Patrick
    05/17/08 at 10:00 AMReply with quote#5

 I understand Tony's point but marbe he can agree that this is America and tax payer money should go to American citizens. America was founded by Immigrants and slaves. Both groups came over legally. I don't believe we have a need for anchor babies delivered by illegal immagrants. Our laws reflected our nations needs for population and are laws usually relate to economic growth and availability and sustainability of natural resources. I know that we do not need to grow our illegal immigration from any country not just Mexico where the great majority of illegal immigrants come from. Mexico is a wealthy nation and the US government should be putting pressure to improve income and living standards for the poor in Mexico. Corporate and farm interests in America and Hispanic groups would like to continue the flow of Mexicans to in to the US. Farms, construction and many service industries want to exploit the illegal immigrants and pay them less than they would pay a citizen with legal rights to fair wages. I do believe that Americans would take these jobs but with more fair pay and that in most cases the cost of goods and services may go up some. But look at the cost of illegal immigration on each state affected. My home state of California for instance has a huge Hispanic criminal gang enterprise with a majority of the youth dropping out of school. Schools that tax payers fund not illegal aliens for the most part. Many of these children are anchor children meaning their mothers came across the border and delivered the child for free in most cases in our hospital and the child is automatically a US citizen.Our government is quietly supporting illegal aliens by offering them the anchor child law and Tax Identification Numbers if they choose to pay taxes which gives them a since of legal status and qualifies them to possibly purchase a home even though they are here illegally. I also see a trend of many Hispanic families renting a home and sharing it with many families. This is a overcrowding problem which can lead to problems with parking, fire hazards.  I am looking to buy a home in San Juan Capistrano and went in to a house this week that painted the garage floor and put in a bedroom closet to make it a bedroom as well as putting up a wall on one side of the garage to make a tiny bedroom. The house was a two bedroom but it looked like they made it a four bedroom, That means more people than it was created to live in and no place to park the cars for the entire household. My point on this overcrowding is a decrease in quality of life for the occupants and parking become an issue for resale and visitor parking . I also understand they want more rights and are demanding citizenship even though they did break our laws by invading a nation. I also find it strange and politically motivated by the government to print our voting ballots in Spanish and Vietnamese, and maybe Chinese.  IF it is a prerequisite to speak English to become an American citizen then why would we need to have all these other languages on our election ballots for state and federal elections? Maybe they are breaking other laws by getting illegal documents to get drivers licenses, registering to vote and social security cards to work under someone Else's number. If they break enough laws do you think then maybe they should be sent back to their country no matter what country they are from.  Mexico is the country where the vast majority come illegally and they are invading our nation employers need to check to see if employees have valid documentation to work and stop hiring illegal aliens. Many will go home without work if we don;t let them get on social services. Those mothers with anchor babies are a more difficult problem the children are citizens because our archaic laws say that if they are born in the US they are automatically citizens and have a right to all our benefits such as state services especially since many of the husbands don't live in the home when the mother fills out the forms stating household income even though the father lives at the home and helps pay some of the bills. I know this because my wife and her mother are social workers in LA county.

marie
    01/03/09 at 02:33 PMReply with quote#6

the "big deal" is that illegal immigrants work and dont have to pay any taxes, while citizens work just as hard and have to pay the terrible taxes. Illegal immigrants find sneaky ways into the country and it needs to stop. We're going to need to come up with something to make go away. I havent heard much about the Jamaicans coming in illegally. My moms Jamaican, and a citizen, but this is the first i've heard about them coming in illegally. im not saying its not true, but i want to hear more about it first.

        marie
marie
    01/21/09 at 02:43 PMReply with quote#7

not a reason to say that!

Larry
    02/24/09 at 03:23 PMReply with quote#8

The big deal....
1. Americans dont want the jobs because they pay too little to support a family..why? Because the employers know they can hire illegals for less.
Illegals do it because when you have 5-8 families living in ONE HOUSE, they make the rent and bills easily.
2. Remove the illegals, and the pay goes up, and Americans DO WANT those jobs.
3. The drain on the countrys resources for services designed for CITIZENS.
Not to mention the millions and more sent to mexicao every year, for what?
Bringing over MORE illegals.
So when your High Tech job goes over seas....will YOU MOVE TO MEXICO OR INDIA? I think NOT.

4. American families are typically 1 FAMILY PER HOUSEHOLD!. So why would you take a lower paying job that wont support your home? Thats why "americans dont want those jobs".
5. American Teenagers cant even find summer jobs, or part time work...
WHY? Full up with illegals working for minimum wage or less...
Do the numbers...5 adults working in one home for minimum wage or less..vs 1.
DEPORT THEM ALL, they have their own country they need to fix...not screw up ours.

Nikki
    04/27/09 at 09:32 PMReply with quote#9

This is what I believe
Some of these illegal aliens coming into the United States havent had a proper chance to receive a proper education and want their kids to do what they could not. I have known some first time high school graduates of their families, and it is such a big accomplishment. They deserve the same right that we do. SO what if they werent born here, or came here legally, if the ones that arent hurting our country with crime, but just wanting to start off on a new slate want to be here, they deserve to be here, just like we do. We just got lucky and were born here. The discrimination in the United States is unbelievable, and terrible, we need to be a more open country, not let our guard down, but show that we have a heart. We could start a chain of peace throughout this country and i bet it would catch on
faith
    07/16/09 at 08:54 PMReply with quote#10

I have read some of the replies but just to put this out there, I totally agree that as a nation we should be taking care of americans and not illegals that can come here and get benefits just because they were not born in america, its almost -like becuase I am a born citizens i cant get any help and or because I make 42.00 dollars over the limit to get any help for that matter, but some illegal alien can come to america and get just about anything without question, How fair is that? to americans who work and pay taxes and when we need help the most we get turn down, what a shame.

clint james
    09/15/09 at 11:34 AMReply with quote#11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tory Rodriguez

Why is it such a big deal about Illegal aliens comming here??? Also if americans wanted all these so called jobs that these illegal aliens are suppossibley taking than there would'nt be any jobs for them to take in the first place. I remember when the Bosnians first started comming here it was'nt  a big immigration debate but now when the hispanics come over here illegally it is such a big deal!!!! I understand that the bosnians were escaping war. But the hispanics are escaping poverty... I want the United States to go a week with out a hispanic person and see how it affects everything.....

there blac
luzy
    10/15/09 at 10:44 PMReply with quote#12

I don't get why Americans dislike Mexicans and why Mexicans cant be legal to this country. I hate people that say that Mexicans are aliens,THEY R NOT.They have nothing different from Americans.They just came here to look for a better future.People shouldn't separate Mexicans families, Its really sad 2 see families apart. I feel really sad and angry that some families cant see each other because they r illegal.I hate whoever thinks that Mexicans don't have the right to be here,I really would wish that Mexicans could come to the US without any problems.people say that Mexicans only come here to do bad things but they don't.Put yourself in their place,How would u feel?Mexicans really suffer in Mexico.And you know what, one day Mexicans are going to take over the US.Don't hate Mexicans because they don't hate you.if u get to know them u would get along with them.They can teach u a different language and cultures.They make really good food.I hope the Mexicans can be treated equal.

Susan Cruz
    11/12/09 at 12:14 AMReply with quote#13

We live in California, which is Calimexio. The culture in California is fend for yourself and take whatever you can get for free. You must speak Spanish to get a great job and be important. Spread the word and if you are Mexican we finally have overcome America and will change the American Way! YEs!

Highlander
    01/16/10 at 09:56 PMReply with quote#14

Illegal immigration to the United States is a serious epidemic in this country.  How can the U.S. truly fight a WAR ON TERROR with borders as porous as a sponge????!!!!!! People should immigrant to the U.S. through and by the rule of law, and if they do not, they should be found and DEPORTED, not rewarded  Would Mexico give me these things if I broke into their country (not that I'd want to). If Mexicans are so proud of their nation, then why don't they stay in it?????  Illegal aliens in the U.S. are mostly of Hispanic descent, with Mexican illegal aliens being the largest of the Hispanic groups; therefore, that is why I am mentioning Mexicans so much in this post, yet other Hispanic groups are also guilty of breaching U.S. immigration laws; such as Cubans, Dominican's, etc., etc., etc..... Mexican illegal aliens bring with them crime, gangs, and gang culture, drugs, and drug culture to the U.S.  Mexican illegal aliens are arrogant, and wrongly believe that the U.S. owes them something, and that their stupid Aztlan should be brought back.  The truth is that Aztlan was destroyed by our Creator, because Aztlan was an EVIL empire.
VOTE NO TO ALL AMNESTIES FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BROKEN OUR NATION'S IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!!!!! Go to Numbers USA, or FAIRUS.org and join our fight to rid the U.S. of illegal aliens.  Let your constituents in government know that WE THE PEOPLE WANT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS ENFORCED, AND NO AMNESTIES OR REWARDS FOR THOSE THAT BREAK OUR U.S. IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!!!!There is no job that American U.S. CITIZENS won't do, and we U.S. CITIZENS DON'T need the illegal aliens help.    ILLEGAL HISPANIC ALIENS ARE DRAGGING DOWN THE U.S. ECONOMY, ALONG WITH OUR U.S. CULTURE, AND WAY OF LIFE.  
Karen
    04/08/10 at 04:21 PMReply with quote#15

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tory Rodriguez

Why is it such a big deal about Illegal aliens comming here??? Also if americans wanted all these so called jobs that these illegal aliens are suppossibley taking than there would'nt be any jobs for them to take in the first place. I remember when the Bosnians first started comming here it was'nt  a big immigration debate but now when the hispanics come over here illegally it is such a big deal!!!! I understand that the bosnians were escaping war. But the hispanics are escaping poverty... I want the United States to go a week with out a hispanic person and see how it affects everything.....

This is very naive. It is proven that illegals will work for less than Americans. Many of the jobs that illegals hold (that Americans supposedly aren't taking) are paid at substantially less wages than would be otherwise. Plus, in situations where the illegals are forced out, Americans have lined up for those jobs. Why should America surrender its jobs to people who have broken the law to get here? Why should they be rewarded, rather than law-abiding American citizens who have helped created this country, rather than people who are only here to take advantage of it?

Furthermore without borders and/or nations, people could live anywhere they wanted to, and guess where most people would go? To the United States. Another reason we can't allow a mass influx of immigrants (legal and illegal) into the United States is because without borders, everyone would live here, and that is not sustainable. There are simply not enough natural resources (food and/or water, energy, etc.) for everyone on the planet to live in one location. Most people who favor amnesty do not understand this simple premise. Overpopulation leads to degradation and pollution, in terms of food, housing, and living conditions, and it will affect everyone.

 


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